tv The Dylan Ratigan Show MSNBC May 29, 2012 4:00pm-5:00pm EDT
program has either graduated or is on her way to a degree. that's why anybody who feels sorry for pat will find themselves on the receiving end of that famous glare or she might punch you. she's still getting up every day and doing what she does best, which is teach. the players, she says, are my best medicine. our final honoree is not here. the president of i see rasrael done more than the cause of ace than anybody else alive. i will be hosting him at a dinner this next month and will be presenting him with his medal and talking about his contribution at that time. i'm looking forward to welcoming him, and if it's all right with you, i will save my best lines for him at that occasion. so these are the recipients of the 2012 medals of freedom.
and just on a personal note, i had a chance to see everybody in the back. what's wonderful about these events for me is so many of these people are my heroes individually, you know? i know how they impacted my life. i remember reading song of solomon when i was a kid, and not just trying to figure out how to write but also how to be and how to think. and i remember, you know, in college, listening to bob dylan and my world opening up because he captured something that -- about this country that was so vital. and i think about dolores, reading about her when i was starting off as an organizer.
everybody on this stage has marked my life in profound ways, and i was telling somebody like pat summitt, when i think about my two daughters who are tall and gifted and knowing that because of folks like coach summit, they're standing up straight and diving after loose balls and feeling confident and strong, then i understand the impacts these people have had extends beyond me. it will continue for generations to come. what an extraordinary honor to be able to say thank you to all of them for the great work that they have done on behalf of this country and on behalf of the world. so it is now my great honor to present them with a small token of our appreciation. [ applause ]
>> presidential medal of freedom citation. madeleine corbel albright. she broke barriers and left an indelible mark on the world as the first female secretary of state in united states history. through her dip ploemcy and steadfast ideals, she advanced peace in the middle east, arms control, justice in the balkans and human rights around the world. with unwavering leadership and continued engagement with the global community, she continues her noble pursuit of human d dignity for all people. [ inaudible ]
[ applause ] >> john doerr. as african-americans strove for justice, john doar helped in civil rights. he prevented a violent riot of paying convictions for civil rights activists and stood bit first african-american student at the university of mississippi on his first day of class. during pivotal moments in civil rights movements and in the troubled times of the watergate scandal, john doar fought to protect the core values of liberty, equality and democracy that has made america a leader among nations. [ applause ]
diseases to survival in child development. he has worked to safeguard the well-being in all, and he has fought a generation of leaders in a fight for a healthy world. [ applause ] >> john glenn. john glenn has set a pure example through his service to our nation. as a marine corps pilot and the first american to orbit the earth, he sparked our passions for ingenuity and adventure and lifted humanity's ambitions into
hirabayashi. imprisoned for ignoring curfew and refusing to register for internment camps, he took it to the supreme court which ruled against him in 1943. refusing to abandon his belief in america and fundamental right, he pursued justice until it was overturned in 1997. he reminds us that patriotism is ruled in our shared ideas and his example will forever call on us in liberty for all our citizens. [ applause ] >> dolores klara hernandez
huerta. one of the labor's great icons, she has devoted her life to advocating for marginalized communities. she co founded farmers of america and fought for basic rights of migrant workers and their families, saving thousands from neglect and abuse. she has never lost faith in the power of community organizing, and through the dolores huerta foundation, she continues to train new activists into history. [ applause ]
>> adam daniel ruefeld. former foreign minister accepting on behalf of jan karsky. he was one of the few to relay accounts of the holocaust to the world. he repeatedly crossed enemy lines to document the face of genocide and courageously voiced tragic truths all the way to president roosevelt. he illuminated one of the darkest chapters in history and on behalf of the innocent will never be forgotten. [ applause ]
>> richard platt accepting on behalf of his great aunt, juliet gordon lowe. an artist, athlete and trailblazer for america's daughters, julia gordon lowe founded an organization to teach young women self-reliance and resource fulness. a century later, during the year of the girl, the girl scouts more than 3 million members are leaders in their communities and are translating new skills into successful careers. americans of all backgrounds continue to draw inspiration from julia gordon lowe's remarkable vision, and we celebrate her dedication to empowering girls everywhere. [ applause ]
>> toni morrison. the first african-american woman to win a noble prize, toni morrison is one of our nation's most distinguished storytell lestorytellers. she has taken complexions of people and turned their gender. the united states proudly honors her for strengthening the character of our union. [ applause ]
>> john paul stevens. from the navy to the bench, john paul stevens has devoted himself to service to our nation. after earning a bronze star in world war ii, stevens returned home to pursue a career in law. as an attorney, he became a leading practitioner of anti-trust law, and as a supreme court justice, he dedicated his long and distinguished tenure to applying our constitution with infidelity and integrity. his commitment to the rule of law has fortified the noble vision of our nation's founders. [ applause ]
>> pat summitt. pat summit was an unparalleled woman in the field of sports. she led women in the sec tournament and eight national titles, becoming the all-time winningest coach in ncaa basketball history. on the court, summit inspired young women across our country to shoot even higher in pursuit of their dreams. off the court she has inspired us all by turning her personal stlug gel into a campaign to
combat alzheimer's disease. she exemplifies all that is best about athletics in america. [ applause ] >> bob dylan. >> come on, bob. >> a modern day troubador, bob dylan established himself as one of the most influential musicians of the 20th century. the poetry of his lyrics opened up new songs for generations.
his melodys brought new tradition. he remained a national voice in conversation and around the world. [ applause ] >> i'm matt miller in for dylan ratigan. you've just been watching the medal of freedom ceremony at the white house. we start today's show with developing shoes in syria. that nation seems closer than ever to civil war as protests echo inside the country following friday's massacre. 108 women were killed. most were women or children. only two dozen were killed in the initial shelling, the rest were executed at close range as thugs went door to door, entire families shot inside their own homes. syrian president assad met with anan today on the failing of cease fire. western nations, including the
u.s., are now kicking out syrian diplomats. the u.s. warning our military is ready to act if called to do so. >> has the chairman of the joint chiefs have said no military action is always an option, and we haven't in this case, removed options from the table. we do not believe that further militarization of the situation in syria at this point is the right course of action. we believe that it would lead to greater chaos, greater carnage. >> we start today with mark ginsberg, former u.s. ambassador to more rock coe, an expert on foreign policy, and lieutenant schaefer, former army intelligence officer now a defender for advanced studies. mark, let me start with you. people are already asking questions or drawing comparisons to libya where we intervened in part to prevent a massacre. we now have thousands and thousands dead, a recent
massacre just the other day. how should america be thinking where we are now versus our engagement in libya? >> short of putting boots on the ground, which i do not favor, there is plenty more that this administration should be doing and can be doing, and i don't believe the president is being served well by basically making the argument that further militarization, as the press secretary just said, is not feasible. we could be doing more such as delineating this regime, helping the turks in the arab league, and number three, putting in a security council resolution on the table, basically trying to stop the russians from providing more military assistance to syria, which is, in effect, fuelling all this. it's disgrace ful that the united states is still supporting a peace plan by kobean, and russia is supplying arms to fuel this resistance to syria. we should be calling the russians out and not supporting a non-plan, which since the
cease fire in april 10, has largely failed. >> tony, what do you make of what ambassador ginsberg says? obviously, not a lot of good options here. he's making a case for at least some stronger steps. what's your take? >> mark is completely correct on this. let's be very clear. i always talk about with dylan, let's begin with the end in mind. what do we want to achieve? no matter what everybody else is doing, let's get our own head on straight. the idea here should be to look at lebanon. lebanon went through all sorts of chaos. they're now a republic standing up and doing things. let's just state that's what we want to see come out of this. we want to see syria set up like lebanon and then start acting in that direction. i disagree completely with the president's spokesman on this. mill t militarizing this is the only way to go. we will see more deaths and we will see this country transcend into chaos to the level we will see more of this thing going on,
and i predict by the end of summer, you will see u.n. observers killed before our very eyes. >> mark, lots of americans feel kind of war fatigued after a decade in iraq and afghanistan. what would you say to them in terms of people -- people watching this show in terms of why. you think we need to be prepared to take military action. are you saying that? >> no, i'm not saying that, and i understand. the people have no reason to want to get involved despite the outrageousness of the syrian government. look, this administration could have done far more to prevent turkey and the arab league to take a leadership role in this, and we pulled the reins on them a few months ago. all the while, these killings have continued. we should not be shocked there have been these types of massacres taking place. there have been thousands killed so far by assad, murder regimes since the cease fire allegedly was decled. matt, the key here is not boots
on the ground. the key here is to let the people on the ground who want to take the action necessary to provide them the support that they need in order to accomplish those goals. >> now, tony, i want to give you the last word on this. the u.s., as i understand it, is also supplying -- we're supplying different communications devices, other quote, unquote, non-lethal forms of aid. what do you think the incremental steps are that would do what you and ambassador ginsberg are talking about? >> we have to get to the turks and help them. they had a turkish police officer summarily killed by assad's army. we have to help them. i think the saudis would be a strong supporter of getting in there with the arab league and giving them real force. they're driven between this and libya. we cannot go in militarily. libyans are not organized well. the russians have continued to arm the sir yanz. they're an effective force, therefore, we have to go under
the radar to help these folks rise against their own. that's another thing, the libyan movement is as bad as it was. the assad regime is still co heesive. we want to help those who want to be free be free. if that means being more agressive in arming them, then that should be done. >> thank you very much for explaining the stakes. a little short on time but i know we'll be coming back to this. thank you both for your thoughts. texas expected to be a big night for mitt. we're talking 20 20 politics with the mega panel. the author of the controversial book "intern nation" joins us live. pleels stay with us.
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tonight should be a big night for the romney camp as the former massachusetts governor is expected to officially reach the number of delegates needed for the gop nomination. but romney has his eyes on the ultimate prize, taking down president obama in november. today he hammered on the president on energy and his ties to sylyndra in this ad. >> more than $16 billion have gone to companies like sylyndra. they adhere to friends and family. obama is giving taxpayer money to big donors, and then watching them lose it. >> politico reports the romney campaign plans to paint the president as unfriendly to jobs. a serious charge, and yet tonight romney is doing something decidedly unserious. he's at a fundraiseer with donald trump, hoping to raise enough money to beat the bad press. karen, susan and jimmy join us.
hello, guys. when i'm moderating you from out here, you guys always look like the hollywood squares on the monitor here. that's always a special treat. karen, let me start with you. this looks like the republican tit for tat over bain capital. you don't like our private equity, we don't like your public equity. i'm not sure that will work so well except to the extent they can say the money the feds invested went to folks who are obama donors. that has a little traction, doesn't it? >> it depends on whether those are facts. the problems we've had from time to time on romney's ads and a lot of what he's said is just not true. what they're not telling you in this story is domestic oil production is up, our dependence on foreign oil is down, much of the investments the president has made in what they would call all of the above strategy looking at alternative energy has made jobs and has been a
benefit to this country. that's the part they're not telling you. i would want to look at the data myself before passing any judgment. >> jimmy, we're all for looking at the data, and it's true also our royal imports are down because we just went through a huge recession. i think that's part of it. what do you think? mitt romney is a big boy. he knows when you make venture investments like the feds were doing with things like sylyndra, you hit only on 10 or 12, which would make it a success. >> karen's polite, i'm not. mitt romney is lying. and it's a simple, simple fact that he's lying about this issue. is he lying about sylyndra? no. he's shaving the truth of sylyndra, and that's not a smart thing to do. what do we know about mitt romney? he is uncredible, he doesn't have much credibility. if you don't believe me, look at his record as governor.
look at his record at bain capital, he doesn't like to talk about that. and tonight he's going to sit down with a birther. that's a problem. this ad ran in colorado. what is the number one state in the country for clean energy? colorado. not a smart ad, in my opinion. >> so susan, i want to talk about donald trump again for a second. >> let's just let all that other stuff just go right by. sdplz let >> let's focus on the big issue. i want to put up a quote by romney purportedly to defend what his rationale is. >> you know, i don't agree with all the people who support me and my guess is they don't all agree with everything i believe in, but i need to get to 50.1% or more and i'm appreciative to have the help of a lot of good people. what do you make of the gop strategist? would you advise him to sit down and share a stage with someone like donald trump?
>> when it comes to specifically donald trump, i wouldn't advise it. this is the night you cinch the nomination, and you don't get a lot of nights like this to give a rah-rah speech and make a go of it. as far as the other attacks go in the advertising, it happens on both sides. that's a fact. and you know what, there are some things i could look at in the obama attack ad, and it's true, and the same goes for the romney. so that's politics, and that's the way it's played out. we may not like it, but that's the way it is. >> karen, you know, when it comes to the donald trump stuff, the mean seems to be from our side of the debate that this would have been the time for romney to do a sister soldier stiff arm donald trump and show that he didn't need to kowtow to every sun savery point of interest or point of view in the campaign. is he saving something for later in the campaign that will wow us all? >> i don't think so, because
it's not credible to think that mitt romney is in need of $2 million, right? this argument it's about the money, potentially, doesn't hold up. i think the political reality here is that somewhere in the campaign, they recognize that there are enough people who believe as he is espousing in this ridiculous birther crap that they feel like it's worth it to passively endorse it next to him with that b.s. spin about, oh, all kinds of different people support me. come on, even if he didn't do the full sister soldier, he could have said more definitively that he disagrees very stringently with what trump is saying, but he's doing this twice, mind you. so wanting to show he's going to go after those voters on the far right who believe this most did i deviceive attack on the
president. >> jimmy, what do you think? are we going to see that he's in thrall and kind of hijacked with every view on the right? >> remember when santorum and those guys got out of the race? every pundit was saying now romney is going to attack to the middle, he's going to be the massachusetts moderate that he was, et cetera, et cetera. we haven't seen that yet. the question s when does it start? does it start after tonight after he sits down with the king of birtherrism. donald trump was quoted as saying, i don't speak with romney about his birth certificate. i would like to hear romney say he doesn't speak to trump about obama's birth certificate. not a spokesperson, i want to hear it from the governor himself. if he wants to be president, he needs to pony up and say he doesn't believe it himself over and over and over again, then we won't have anything to talk about, will we? >> susan, as a republican
strategist, is this an important moment with romney kind of going over the top officially tonight? should it mean that we expect anything different as we see the campaign move forward in the days ahead? i noticed to the surprise of a lot of people romney did put down an education agenda the other day. i have a lot of problems with it, but he's moving on issues earlier than i think some people might have suspected, notwithstanding the whole birthing movement. >> going to philadelphia was smart. doing this with trump i don't think was particularly a wise move, but that being said, it's not going to matter a lick come november. >> you're hoping. >> there we have it. the panel is going to stay. we have a lot more straight ahead. right now millions of young people are starting summer inte internships across the country, but who is really getting the most out of the experience? a leading voice in the debate, ross curlin, is our specialist.
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increasingly critical part of the u.s. work force, interns. for many college grads, it's their only option. for companies, that free or low-wage wager has been a boon. they're often doing the work of employers but with no salary, no medical care and no. he's the author of "intern nation ", how to earn little in this country. what would you say first? i know lots of kids who are either in college or just coming out of college, internships that are unpaid are basically their only option to get a toehold in the work force. you think that's really a disaster for the economy. say why. >> that's right, matt, internships have become a
prerequisite for young people wanting to enter the white color work force which is where prestigious jobs are located. they're displacing untold thousands of regular full-time workers and have made the entry level job virtually an endangered species. un unpaid internships are going gangbuster as never before. i think the internship boom has all kinds of significant issues we need to be talking b. >> there is also a class angle to this as well, right, because parents do their best to help their kids land those plumb internships, but there is a real gap between what they can wrangle in terms of intern ships and what they have room for. is that the issue here? >> it's the key issue, matt, and
it's often gotten lost in the debates around this. not only do we have exploited stories of interns making zil yonz of copies, running coffee to their boss, but it's more about access and the come flexion of whole fields. internships have now become a pay to play system. you can't essentially pay to work for free, that is, cover your rent in some of the most expensive cities in the country. food, living expenses often pay for the academic credit you need to buy from your school to do it, you're simply out of luck. increasingly, young students have to do not one or two internships, but pseudo internships, and even then a job is not necessarily around the corner. it's become another factor in social inequality. the field where intern ships are most important, politics, film,
media, television, entertainment, those are places we're going to hear a more limited range of voices because of this. people from working class backgrounds who need to be working a paid job who can't afford to work for free and don't have the kinds of personal connections, the kinds of networks to get these positions will be left out and will be all the poorer for it. >> susan has a question. >> my question is, when i went to school, i did internships. i did an internship after school as well, all unpaid, and that was kind of part of the experience. what you're talking about, though, is when you hear people interning in their mid to late 20s, it seems like there is a difference between the two. can you get a little deeper into maybe someone who is doing this for a college credit versus someone who is doing it because they just can't find a job? >> there are certainly great internships out there, still. in many ways, internships is a greaidea with intentions that have gone wrong. 30 to 40 years ago when
internships were still an experience done by a relatively small population -- i'm not suggesting you were doing it 30 or 40 years ago -- >> thank you. >> just going back to the boon as it's progressed, it used to be the companies were hiring full-time, in full-time positions, 60 to 70% of their interns. you did one or two internships. you often did it for college credit, as you were saying, in schools that were heavily involved in an education component. recent graduates are finding virtually no entry level positions available to them. we're finding people in their late 20s, 30s, 40s transitioning their careers doing anything they can in the job market and taking unpaid internships. it's a good idea gone wrong. >> karen has a question. >> my question would be, on the intro we were talking a little
about the lack of leverage interns themselves have, being used and abused, as cheap free labor, essentially. what kinds of things can interns do, though, if you are in an internship to ensure you are getting something out of the experience, that you're not just getting coffee but you actual get some relevant, work-related experience or exposure, at least, when you're doing an internship. >> a lot you can do begins before the internship even starts. having an internship agreement, having a very clear sense with your employer what your responsibilities will be, what kind of work you'll be doing so you're not brought in to a so-called marketing internship and find yourself moving furniture and lifting heavy objects, so you don't find yourself carrying your boss' urine sample to the boss' doctor as a personal favor. >> wow. >> you have to start up front and understand what you're doing, and if you can see this is real work that the organization needs done, it should be paid. it should be paid at least minimum wage.
that's fundamental, that's the law. many employers sort of feign ignorance about that, but increasingly you can't do that. increasingly it's known that most interns are workers as well. so when you're in the internship, you have to have a clear strategy about what you're going to get out of it, and you have to know your rights. you have to understand what you're there for, what you're getting out of it, and don't let yourself be taken advantage of and don't get caught in the internship trap of never seeing the results from that. >> that urine-sample-toting internship will be an image hard to shake. do you have a question for him? >> not about that, i certainly don't. i appreciate your book and will read it. i'm not sure i'll buy the premise of it, but i will read it. when i was 30, i switched careers. i became an unpaid intern on capitol hill in the senate office, and i made of it what i wanted to make of it, which was a career. not as an intern, but i did all the things that i needed to do
to get promoted and to get hired full-time and to get salary, benefits, health care, et cetera, et cetera, and i worked my way up. as a staffer in the senate, i had interns. i would say about three-quarters of them sucked and about one-quarter of them were decent. the ones that were decent actually produced. they didn't ask me for stuff, they just went and did it. i think at the end of the day, if you want to be an intern, it's kind of up to you what you make out of it. it's not that you're being used and abused. i had to get coffee, i had to do all that stuff, but at the end of the day, i had to learn senate rules and write memos to senators and m.a.s and to staffers. i get it, i think there is definitely abuse, but it seems to me you make of it what you want of it, and if you want an internship to turn into something more permanent, that's up to you to do that. >> ross, before you answer, jimmy clearly learned how to filibuster when he was in the senate. what's your response?
>> there are two answers to your point, jimmy, which was well taken. one is precisely as matt said, there is as much an issue here for those who can't afford to break into this system, access to the upper echelons of the economy. it's as much of that as much as the experience of interns themselves and whether they're paid or not and what work they do. that's why we should take this seriously as a public policy question as something that influences young people. it's right there with rising tuition, deepening student debt, downward mobility, a whole set of issues that galvanizes the occupy movement which has been a major discussion in the past year in america. the second answer to your question is absolutely an internship is what you make of it to a considerable extent, and, of course, young people need to understand you can't go immediately into high levels of work. there is some getting of coffee and doing paperwork and making
xeroxes and that sort of thing. i don't think anybody is disputing that, but what we're saying is where real work is happening, very few of these situations are bona fide or shadowing programs. where real work is being done, it needs to be paid for. >> ross perlin. the book is "intern nation." putting your finger on an economic trend we'll need be watching. thanks for coming by. thanks as always to our internal alumni panel. thanks as always for your insights, guys. coming up, from internships to job training for vets military boot camp style. lcium e because they don't take it with food. switch to citracal maximum plus d. it's the only calcium supplement that can be taken with or without food. that's why my doctor recommends citracal maximum. it's all about absorption.
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here on the d.r. show, dylan has been focusing a lot on transitioning vets' military skills for the civilian work force. 17% of the military force cannot find a job. one firm is trying to change that, offering veterans accelerated training for careers in the i.t. sector. it's called the stepping stone valor initiative at training camp. they're using boot style training to get our civilians ready for work. an iraq war veteran tyler heat graduated from the program. chris, let me start with you. what got you motivated to try help returning vets get more traction in the work force. >> hi, how are you. i come from a military family. i lost an uncle from vietnam, my father served admirably in the
air force. in 2008, we saw the economy really, really sputter, and we recognized we were sort of at the seat of the education industry that could help fuel for segments that had opportunity and expected to grow significantly over the years with a forecasted growth rate in the 20-plus percent range for 2020, we realized that underperforming populations and certainly war veterans being significantly disadvantaged if you look at their unemployment rates, we recognized that education could be a strong component for -- as a retraining initiative, really, in assistance in fueling these segments of the economy that do have potential in growth. so we recognize that our accelerated learning model, our boot camp type philosophy which fits in really well to the military student, where we can change or affect the pace of technology change and train an
individual in a relatively short period of time and equip them with, you know, vocational aptitude that can be used immediately in searching for a job and certainly being effective in the i.t. role. >> tyler, tell us your story. you served in iraq, you came back, had trouble finding a job. tell us what happened and then how this program helped. >> well, thankfully for me i was enrolled full-time in college, so i didn't have to actively look for a job when i got out of the military. i knew i wanted to go to college and i would be supported by the g.i. bill for the semesters i was in school. the problem i ran into was a lot related to other veterans, and that was not a lot of people were giving me a chance. i had a great resume, i was about to finish my degree in information systems management, and what i ran into was i was just blasting my resume out there trying to get as many people to see me as i could, yet no one was returning any of my calls. on the resume was a degree in information systems management which is an i.t. business degree
as well as, for instance, all my medals from the military from when i was in the war. and i noticed when you put my resume next to my friends and classmates in college, it honestly locked oked infinitely better than theirs, so i was troubled at why i was having such a hard time find ag job. >> you were turned down by a job by one employer, but after certification in the training camp, you ended up with a job in the same place? >> yes, sir. not in the same place, but i was turned down by many, many places repeatedly. after i went to training camp and i got my a-plus and network certifications which basically says i have roughly six months to a year in certain experience in the i.t. sector, i was getting all kinds of calls back within days after updating my resume and putting on these new certifications. >> chris, that kind of speaks to the question about what the value is of the typical undergraduate degree, which i'm
guessing is what tyler had. is there something that employers are not finding enough or that they don't have the confidence in what the degrees are from another did degreed-granting university where they want a tangible set of skills that you guys are certified? >> if you think of having a computer for two years without updating the software on it, most of what you have on there is out of date. the pace of technology is so quick that for an individual that gets -- i still consider it very valuable, an undergraduate degree. to serve active duty in the military and come back in four, six, eight years, much of what you learned in college is ultimately, and unfortunately out of date. so information technology vendors like the comp a-plus certification program show individuals have timely and in demand skills in today's
technology. when tyler received these skills, it shows he was capable and aware of what technology was in use today. so while the undergraduate's concept is still highly relevant and gives you a well-rounded background and comprehension overall, for an i.t. role specifically, i think the more current and recent certifications are really what employers are looking for. >> now, tyler, i assume you're still in touch with a lot of your buddies from the service. are people angry and frustrated that after doing such duty for so long, you know, defending american interests overseas, they're having such a harder time getting traction in jobs back home? >> i do believe that people are upset, a little discouraged, maybe not angry. i don't think many veterans are going to be angry in america, but what you do see a lot is a lot of disappointment and a disconnect from them being able to get jobs. for instance, i have a friend named will in california and he just graduated from uc-davis, i
believe, an economics degree, and he's still a bartender full-time. and he cannot get a position anywhere else. he's tried many different things. he's even done internships which i actually did not do, and he still manages not to get his career going. it's really unfortunate to see that happen. >> now, chris, do you find that -- do you have to do special outreach to employers to try to make them aware of how veterans can bring all these capabilities, obviously, that they learned in the service that may be unappreciated somehow in combination with the kind of stuff you guys are doing in your boot camp really prepares them for, you know, for good jobs as opposed to what's happening so often in the i.t. sector, you see a lot of outsourcing going on. how does that stack up? >> well, to sort of answer your first point, i'm a little surprised anyone would really need to educate small and medium sized and even large corporations on the value of hiring the individuals that have served in specifically active duty. i participate in the valor
program. we trained quite a few military through our normal course of our operation, and then part of this valor program, they make among the most dedicated, confident and specifically effective students that we have. i can also tell you at the training camp, i hired a few veterans as well. our overall success rate with the veterans we've hired has been phenomenal. fortunately, programs like yours that are getting employers to think about the value of hiring veterans, hopefully this will incite someone to see the value on it and make a hiring decision. >> i want to give tyler, our veteran, obviously, the last word on this. you suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder when you were overseas. lots of veterans coming back with a struggle. just briefly, ten seconds, what's the message to employers the value you can bring. >> we're always on time, we're never late, we're always
punctual, always polite, organized, and we work best as a team. that's the best way to put it. we work well as a team above anywhere else. we've been in situations like that. >> have to leave it there. tyler heath and chris, thanks so much for all you do. that does it for us today. i'm matt miller in for dylan ratigan. "ha "hardball with chris matthews" starts now. >> honeymoon in vegas. let's play "hardball." i'm chris matthews down in dallas. let me start with the biggest question in this campaign so far. is there any level to which mitt romney will not descend, any level he will not take himself to in order to scrounge for